#hcmsanz chat 20 February 2011 – “National Privacy Principles in #ehealth & Social Media”

Wordle: #hcsmanz chat - 20 February 2011

The National Privacy Principles were first introduced in 1988 and applied to the Private Sector in 2001.  One of the aim’s of Tonight’s chat was to discuss the National Privacy Principles in the context of e-health and Social Media.  Has legislation kept up with the times or are they out-of-date?

NOTE: All times are listed using Pacific Standard Time (PST) GMT-08:00 

9:02 am hcsmanz: evening everybody. Robbo is using the #hcsmanz account tonight. An introduction as your first tweet thanks
9:02 am hcsmanz: Tonight’s #hcsmanz chat topic is “National Privacy Principles in #ehealth & Social Media”http://j.mp/eMdgK8
9:03 am hughstephens: #hcsmanz medical student doing research this year in organ donation. Blogger, IT consultant and avid sailor πŸ˜› g’day all
9:03 am jbkHCSMANZ: Hi – Bernard; consumer rep on e-Health stuff… #HCSMANZ
9:04 am SarahStewart: Wow..actually making #hcsmanz for the first time ever. Hi everyone, I’m Sarah, midwifery lecturer & EdD student
9:04 am hcsmanz: I want to start of generally – is it difficult to abide by the privacy guidelines when using social media? #hcsmanz
9:05 am BiteTheDust: welcome Bernard we’d appreciate input from “the other side of the fence” @jbkHCSMANZ #HCSMANZ
9:05 am BiteTheDust: good to see you make it @SarahStewart #hcsmanz
9:06 am SarahStewart: Not sure how long I’ll hang out with #hcsmanz cos I’m waiting for “The history of surgery” on TV
9:08 am BiteTheDust: An example of using social media is a case study in a blog – how many obtain consent before information is placed on the web? #hcsmanz
9:08 am drmarcustan: Hi all, I’m a Medico interested in health innovation & IT from Perth #hcsmanz
9:09 am hughstephens: #hcsmanz T1: privacy guidelines I think are easier to follow than professionalism; privacy guidelines r generally ‘behind the times’ 4 SoMe
9:09 am jbkHCSMANZ: @hcsmanz it depends on whether others believe that by you sharing anything with them they have consent to RT or further disclose #hcsmanz
9:09 am hughstephens: #hcsmanz @BiteTheDust depends on level of identifying information – but should b same as case report for medical journal
9:10 am jbkHCSMANZ: @hcsmanz also; does hitting “accept” in privacy policies which may be in any jurisdiction “actually” confer “informed consent” #hcsmanz
9:10 am hcsmanz: Privacy guidelines http://bit.ly/fh2WrL #hcsmanz
9:10 am BiteTheDust: Privacy guidelines http://bit.ly/fh2WrL #hcsmanz
9:11 am BiteTheDust: @jbkHCSMANZ I think you can argue that if the language used was legalistic then it cannot offer any consent #hcsmanz
9:11 am hiablog: @hughstephens @BiteTheDust Case report-level descriptors sounds reasonable. #hcsmanz
9:11 am dreamingspires: @hcsmanz having just looked at the national privacy link: yes it wld be hard to abide by the policies -does anyone even read them?! #hcsmanz
9:11 am hughstephens: @jbkhcsmanz depends on what u r consenting to & how it’s said: consent requres competence, voluntariness, specificty, understanding #hcsmanz
9:12 am SarahStewart: @BiteTheDust #hcsmanz I would not use details involving patient…would make case study a generalised discussion
9:12 am BiteTheDust: In a remote health discussion group a case study was put up. Several practitioners from dift areas thought it was their patient #hcsmanz
9:12 am hughstephens: #hcsmanz privacy principles aren’t as important as the the Health Records Act (that’s the vic one, not sure about other states) 4 HC info
9:13 am BiteTheDust: the patient was one made up by someone with no knowledge of those patients #hcsmanz
9:13 am hughstephens: #hcsmanz they r also more specific re appropriate storage & disclosure in a health context
9:14 am hughstephens: #hcsmanz re: case study. depends on whether the more identifying details (that they b preserved) will aid learning/education in the case
9:14 am jbkHCSMANZ: @hughstephens and then the follow on of seepage from one place to another – incredibly hard to stop / enforce /remediate #hcsmanz
9:14 am BiteTheDust: @dreamingspires the privacy policies are not an easy read #hcsmanz
9:15 am hughstephens: @jbkhcsmanz agreed – hard to take consent with enough laxity to not have to go back again & again but still needs 2 b ‘specific’ #hcsmanz
9:15 am jbkHCSMANZ: @BiteTheDust could it be argued that any harm or breach was done unless questioners disclosed identifying info to question? #hcsmanz
9:16 am BiteTheDust: I can see a situation where a patient of a health professional sees a case study on hp blog and assume it was them #hcsmanz
9:16 am hiablog: @jbkHCSMANZ I think that issue of what constitutes real informed consent becomes more important once data scrutiny increases. #hcsmanz
9:16 am hughstephens: absolutely RT @hiablog: issue of what constitutes real informed consent becomes more important once data scrutiny increases. #hcsmanz
9:17 am SarahStewart: Sorry #hcsmanz Off to watch “Blood and guts”. Good night πŸ™‚
9:17 am BiteTheDust: @jbkHCSMANZ if the patient or someone can identify the patient from the info put in public domain (not necessarily age etc) …… #hcsmanz
9:17 am dreamingspires: @BiteTheDust if an organisation puts out guidelines it wld be better if they were a) easy to find and b) easy to read. #hcsmanz
9:17 am BiteTheDust: @jbkHCSMANZ then have breached the guidelines. #hcsmanz
9:18 am hughstephens: #hcsmanz biggest difficulty is in ‘culminative’ aspect of data. e.g. other areas of blog identifying which hospital/rotation etc
9:18 am BiteTheDust: @jbkHCSMANZ so I can see increasing recrimination and queries to health practitioners in future. Pt never see study in journal #hcsmanz
9:18 am hughstephens: #hcsmanz great privacy vic booklet on ‘guide to privacy law in vic’ with section on healthcare infohttp://bit.ly/eYNjGr
9:18 am hcsmanz: RT @hughstephens: #hcsmanz great privacy vic booklet on ‘guide to privacy law in vic’ with section on healthcare info http://bit.ly/eYNjGr
9:19 am hughstephens: this is changing quickly too! some might want to see writeup regardless.RT @BiteTheDust: @jbkHCSMANZ Pt never see study in journal #hcsmanz
9:20 am hcsmanz: @hughstephens with increasing open access medical journals people googling their symptoms/disease might see themselves in a case #hcsmanz
9:20 am hiablog: @dreamingspires @BiteTheDust Plain language is intuitively good, but often what’s being consented to is quite complex. #hcsmanz
9:20 am dreamingspires: @hcsmanz is ‘guide to privacy law in vic’ http://bit.ly/eYNjGr available on web for public to read or only pdf? #hcsmanz
9:20 am hughstephens: @hcsmanz this is one of the great benefits & problems with open-access things like google scholar that r indexed in regular search #hcsmanz
9:21 am hiablog: RT @hughstephens: #hcsmanz great privacy vic booklet on ‘guide to privacy law in vic’ with section on healthcare info http://bit.ly/eYNjGr
9:21 am hughstephens: @dreamingspires unsure if that data is avail but lots @ health svcs commissioner http://bit.ly/ejgxUA#hcsmanz
9:21 am hcsmanz: does a health professional have an obligation to keep information confidential should a patient contact them via social media? #hcsmanz
9:22 am BiteTheDust: @hiablog complex arguments can be broken into simple statements. That’s what makes a great teacher. It can be done #hcsmanz
9:22 am dreamingspires: @hiablog: yes, I agree that is the challenge, complex issues in plain language, but an impt one to get right in age of social media #hcsmanz
9:22 am dreamingspires: RT @BiteTheDust: @hiablog complex arguments can be broken into simple statements. That’s what makes a great teacher. It can be done #hcsmanz
9:23 am BiteTheDust: @dreamingspires and welcome. this your first time at #hcsmanz
9:23 am hiablog: RT @BiteTheDust: @hiablog complex arguments can be broken into simple statements. That’s what makes a great teacher. It can be done #hcsmanz
9:23 am dreamingspires: @BiteTheDust indeedy – glad to be here #hcsmanz
9:24 am jbkHCSMANZ: may be having difficulty following as search on #hcsmanz seems rather “slow” and may not be following everyone (set this acct up this eve)
9:24 am hughstephens: @hcsmanz difficult to say – best is to tell pt to contact via official channels and document!!! #hcsmanz
9:24 am BiteTheDust: glad you could join us @drmarcustan. you are a bit quiet tonight #hcsmanz
9:24 am jbkHCSMANZ: and crappy wireless broadband dropping out, sorry #hcsmanz
9:24 am hughstephens: @hiablog @BiteTheDust #hcsmanz this is the reason behind many medschools having ‘detechnicalization’ activity in interviews
9:25 am BiteTheDust: @jbkHCSMANZ need a client such as tweetdeck to run a #hcsmanz dedicated column
9:26 am drmarcustan: @hcsmanz hcp’s hv an obligation to keep pt confidentiality irrespective of the communication medium used #Hcsmanz
9:27 am hughstephens: #hcsmanz scary example of when pt identifying info is available on social media & professionalism implications! http://yfrog.com/h0cp3mp
9:28 am jbkHCSMANZ: @BiteTheDust prolly good professional practice never to put on your own blog a case history of your own patient? #hcsmanz – unworkable?
9:28 am kristinalford: Vaguely lurking in background of #hcsmanz tonight. Have no direct role in health, but interested in issues of learning & communicating.
9:28 am BiteTheDust: @hughstephens that was patient driven..so should hcp delete those from his facebook wall? #hcsmanz
9:29 am drmarcustan: @BiteTheDust @jbkHCSMANZ can try tweetchat.com too #Hcsmanz
9:29 am hughstephens: @jbkHCSMANZ but then where will u get case study examples from other than ur practice! #hcsmanz
9:29 am jbkHCSMANZ: @BiteTheDust big issue is “OR identifIABLE” #hcsmanz
9:29 am BiteTheDust: @kristinalford ywe are all sick at some time and interect with health services. please join in #hcsmanz
9:30 am BiteTheDust: agree. RT @jbkHCSMANZ: @BiteTheDust big issue is “OR identifIABLE” #hcsmanz
9:30 am drmarcustan: RT @hughstephens: @jbkHCSMANZ but then where will u get case study examples from other than ur practice! #Hcsmanz
9:31 am BiteTheDust: case studies can be made up from a mix of patients. But still run risk a patient will think it themselves #hcsmanz
9:32 am hughstephens: @kristinalford welcome to your first #hcsmanz! pls contribute your opinions – any extra input is v valuable
9:32 am jbkHCSMANZ: @BiteTheDust “or identifIABLE” is a big limitation in certain sectors – small pt pos, or geographic issues where v important. Ouch #hcsmanz
9:32 am hughstephens: RT @jbkHCSMANZ: @BiteTheDust “or identifIABLE” is a big limitation in certain sectors – small pt pos, or geographic issues where v important. Ouch #hcsmanz
9:33 am BiteTheDust: @jbkHCSMANZ that’s why in my blog I deiced never to write about patients/indigenous case studies as small discrete population #hcsmanz
9:33 am Thinkbirth: thanks for this ?@hcsmanz: Privacy guidelines http://bit.ly/fh2WrL #hcsmanz?
9:34 am jbkHCSMANZ: @hughstephens @BiteTheDust #facepalm #hcsmanz
9:34 am hiablog: @kristinalford Dive in – it’s not just for health professionals πŸ™‚ #hcsmanz
9:34 am BiteTheDust: @jbkHCSMANZ the tweets I put up earlier about a case study in discussion group several hcp thought was theirs was in remote context #hcsmanz
9:35 am dreamingspires: @BiteTheDust: has always been the case that pts may think case studies may be about them even when published in jnls #hcsmanz
9:35 am hughstephens: @dreamingspires @BiteTheDust this is the problem w ‘common presentations’ and uncommon presentations of common illnesses #hcsmanz
9:36 am dreamingspires: @BiteTheDust ah, now I get the context of this conversation – your previous tweets. OK got it. that is tricky #hcsmanz
9:36 am BiteTheDust: @dreamingspires yeah but patients had little access to journals in past. #hcsmanz
9:36 am kristinalford: @hiablog I know, but I’m struggling to catch up! At the moment thinking there is a role for sharing info with consent #hcsmanz
9:36 am drmarcustan: Does it matter if patients can “identify” themselves so long as no one else can? #justwondering#Hcsmanz
9:36 am hughstephens: @BiteTheDust @dreamingspires has 2 b balanced w the need to learn about care for specific subpops like indigenous who r minorities #hcsmanz
9:37 am hcsmanz: should new patients sign off knowing their case may be used for education purposes to cover blogs and case studies in journals? ? #hcsmanz
9:37 am BiteTheDust: should new patients sign off knowing their case may be used for education purposes to cover blogs and case studies in journals? ? #hcsmanz
9:37 am BiteTheDust: @jbkHCSMANZ #facepalm? what did I say? πŸ™‚ #hcsmanz
9:37 am hughstephens: #hcsmanz hard 2 say whether you could have a blanket disclosure like this – consent has to be ‘specific’
9:38 am hughstephens: #hcsmanz undoubtedly pt wouldn’t mind about some data but not others!
9:38 am jbkHCSMANZ: @BiteTheDust Remote / Palliative or Regional / HIV Management, at Conf and hear “de-identified” CS of pt u were advocate4 #hcsmanz
9:38 am dreamingspires: @hughstephens: agree: ” hard 2 say whether you could have a blanket disclosure like this – consent has to be ‘specific’ #hcsmanz
9:38 am hughstephens: #hcsmanz thing that i find hard is how willing pts are to have medstudents around – ‘teaching future drs’ but is diff wrt blogs/articles!
9:39 am jbkHCSMANZ: @BiteTheDust important presentation to be shared, but hard to keep really de-identifiable to “everyone” potentially seeing. Hard. #hcsmanz
9:39 am kristinalford: @hiablog after all, I have donated a photo of a particularly rare rash (medication reaction) for educational purposes πŸ˜‰ #hcsmanz
9:41 am jbkHCSMANZ: @BiteTheDust hmmm – there is the general “research” and “eduation” and “clinical audit” consents; but “blogs”?? I prolly wdnt sign #hcsmanz
9:42 am BiteTheDust: out bush we have difficulty as an Aboriginal culture view of privacy is quite different to the rest of Australia #hcsmanz
9:42 am hughstephens: @kristinalford did u know under which specific circumstances it would be shared? e.g. textbook, case study, blog etc? #hcsmanz
9:42 am hughstephens: very much so RT @BiteTheDust: out bush we have difficulty as an Aboriginal culture view of privacy is quite difft 2 the rest of Aus #hcsmanz
9:43 am jbkHCSMANZ: @BiteTheDust “research” as understood has to be signed off by ethics committees; lots of Jnl output does as well – int&ext. #hcsmanz
9:43 am hcsmanz: with so much information being shared online by people is our perception of privacy changing? Will the privacy laws keep up? #hcsmanz
9:44 am BiteTheDust: @jbkHCSMANZ reasearch yes, but case studies don’t have to be signed off by ethics #hcsmanz
9:44 am kristinalford: @hughstephens yes, university lecture, subject unidentified. #hcsmanz
9:44 am hughstephens: #hcsmanz eventually but orgs like privacy vic find it hard to keep up-to-date as situation changes faster than beaurocratic process
9:45 am dreamingspires: @kristinalford and do you have an opinion on how common it might be for patients to be willing to share their case online? #hcsmanz
9:45 am jbkHCSMANZ: @BiteTheDust NT Healths SEHR has had some really good privacy lessons. As long as for Primary Purpose (in a respected trust model) #hcsmanz
9:45 am drmarcustan: @hcsmanz there is a big difference between someone sharing their own info and hcp’s sharing info #Hcsmanz
9:46 am hughstephens: #hcsmanz info being shared shuld b controlled by PT not physician. while they might fb about their bowel movements – we can’t w/o permission
9:46 am BiteTheDust: @jbkHCSMANZ out bush as well as ethics we run it past the communities and obtain consent. Also do for community health ed programs #hcsmanz
9:46 am jbkHCSMANZ: @BiteTheDust /2 the Indig community have embraced. Initially ALL research written totally out. Now some PopHealth surv, but no more #hcsmanz
9:46 am dreamingspires: @jbkHCSMANZ:Agree “research” has to be signed off by ethics committees;” and that is LOTS of red tape and makes SM difficult. #hcsmanz
9:46 am hiablog: @hcsmanz I think sign off for education important, but ethical clearances are also required. #hcsmanz
9:46 am BiteTheDust: @drmarcustan my point is we still have to take it “offline” and cannot assume they want us to reply in public #Hcsmanz
9:47 am jbkHCSMANZ: @drmarcustan @hcsmanz concur big time!!! Even tho risks are often misjudged, perception about right to share is diff #hcsmanz
9:48 am hughstephens: @kristinalford what would ur opinion be if the person then used it in a textbook or blog w/o ur consent? #hcsmanz
9:48 am hiablog: @kristinalford @hughstephens Teaching Rounds are tricky – often massive invasions of privacy with weak consent. #hcsmanz
9:48 am BiteTheDust: @jbkHCSMANZ trust is very important. A lot of research in past felt was used against the mob so very reticent these days #hcsmanz
9:50 am drmarcustan: @BiteTheDust no question you would go the DM & offline! πŸ™‚ #Hcsmanz
9:50 am kristinalford: @dreamingspires I think it depends how willing they are to share other aspects of themselves online. #hcsmanz
9:51 am drmarcustan: @hiablog @hcsmanz no ethics approval required for education AFAIK only research #Hcsmanz
9:51 am hcsmanz: @jbkHCSMANZ do many consumers truly understand their rights with privacy legislation? #hcsmanz
9:51 am ChazzaiA: @hiablog – but only available to attendees not general public. Blogs readable by non medicos too #hcsmanz
9:52 am hcsmanz: 10minutes to go everyone #hcsmanz welcome @ChazzaiA #hcsmanz
9:52 am hughstephens: #hcsmanz what about discussion between hcp’s about patients within a ‘closed’ network like @yammer? does same deidentification apply??
9:53 am jbkHCSMANZ: @hcsmanz In general terms, No Way. In specific terms, Mostly No. #hcsmanz
9:54 am drmarcustan: There is an unofficial understanding that if ur a pt in a teaching hospital ur almost obliged to consent to educational activities #Hcsmanz
9:54 am BiteTheDust: @hughstephens I think it would depend on the circumstance. Importance to pass on info quickly over right to privacy #hcsmanz
9:55 am jbkHCSMANZ: @hcsmanz In many respects, don’t care at the time, but in acute care settings “Informed non-coercive consent” is almost impossible #hcsmanz
9:56 am drmarcustan: @hughstephens unless it’s a shared patient requiring specific collaboration for management all privacy rules would still apply #Hcsmanz
9:56 am jbkHCSMANZ: @drmarcustan “unofficial understanding” is far more official; it is part of your consent contract. Which is usually very reasonable #hcsmanz
9:56 am hcsmanz: with increasing use of social media is it important to get plain language privacy guidelines more available? -link to from blogs? #hcsmanz
9:57 am hughstephens: @BiteTheDust what about as a discussion forum as in an ‘online conference’ for hcp’s?? #hcsmanz
9:57 am BiteTheDust: @drmarcustan not only shared patient.. some notifiable diseases etc override privacy #Hcsmanz
9:58 am BiteTheDust: @hughstephens in online conference as a case study you would need to deidentify unless all involved in care #hcsmanz
9:59 am hughstephens: @jbkHCSMANZ @drmarcustan @BiteTheDust what about getting 2nd opinion on something like radiology results? part of pt care…#hcsmanz
9:59 am hughstephens: agreed RT @BiteTheDust: in online conference as a case study you would need to deidentify unless all involved in care #hcsmanz
9:59 am drmarcustan: IMHO this privacy stuff can be a storm in a teacup. It’s important clearly but common sense should prevail #Hcsmanz
10:00 am jbkHCSMANZ: @hcsmanz i believe it is less about privacy guidelines, as consumer education as to risks of self-disclosure. #hcsmanz
10:01 am hughstephens: RT @drmarcustan: IMHO this privacy stuff can be a storm in a teacup. It’s important clearly but common sense should prevail #Hcsmanz
10:02 am hcsmanz: The official part of #hcsmanz has finished but feel free to continue chatting using the hashtag.
10:02 am stewy6: RT @hughstephens: #hcsmanz info being shared shuld b controlled by PT not physician. while they might fb about their bowel movements – we can’t w/o permission
10:02 am jbkHCSMANZ: @drmarcustan it can be, but once lots more is more freely avail the “common sense” argument gets overridden by rogue-accessor” arg #hcsmanz
10:03 am drmarcustan: @hughstephens @BiteTheDust there are few good reasons to identify for ed purposes if it’s clinical then privacy is discretionary #Hcsmanz
10:03 am BiteTheDust: @jbkHCSMANZ thanks for joining tonight. Appreciate the patient/consumer view. We are here each Sunday at this time. #hcsmanz
10:03 am jbkHCSMANZ: @drmarcustan most consumers have a lot of trust in THEIR hcp’s, its just having to trust *all the other* hcp’s is a valid concern #hcsmanz
10:05 am hughstephens: @hcsmanz #hcsmanz great chat, good 2 hear all the opinions and see some new faces! until next week. Thanks & have great night all
10:05 am BiteTheDust: RT @UltraLinq: The YouTube Cure: How Social Media Shapes Medical Practice http://awe.sm/5GRgA#hcsmanz
10:06 am drmarcustan: @jbkHCSMANZ not all admissions to teaching hospitals req consent to be part of educational activities. Thus consent can b withdrawn #Hcsmanz
10:09 am drmarcustan: @jbkHCSMANZ most hcp’s recognize that we work in a collaborative environment with other HCP’s anything shared is on “need to know” #Hcsmanz
10:09 am jbkHCSMANZ: @drmarcustan @hughstephens @BiteTheDust huge challenge for software providers as well as clinical education needs 2b acknowledged #hcsmanz
10:10 am jbkHCSMANZ: @drmarcustan tricky in NSW in my exp working in public health, BUT most clinicians are very good about managing to Pt req/exp #hcsmanz
10:11 am cphce_unsw: #hcsmanz enjoyed reading discussion tonight.
10:14 am jbkHCSMANZ: will def use a client next week; kept hitting API usage limits. Thanks to all, hard keeping related issues sep and on 1 track. #hcsmanz
10:18 am hughstephens: @jbkHCSMANZ tweetdeck is great. would recommend highly #hcsmanz
10:49 am hughstephens: From #medstudent friend: any good books / articles on writing good medical notes (in pt chart) out there? #hcsmanz
10:50 am BiteTheDust: RT @sandnsurf: Australian Health Information Technology: This Has Some Pretty Amazing Implications.http://bit.ly/gEycYP #hcsmanz
10:51 am ricardon: @hughstephens re radiology results: (1) most images are in the main obtained, stored & reported from digital data. #hcsmanz
10:55 am ricardon: @hughstephens (2) The filmless XRay Dept now exists. Image data accessed via secure online with strict permissions, or on CD #hcsmanz
10:59 am ricardon: @hughstephens (3) second opinion should be given from the data, not from hardcopy film. Not always practical to film every image. #hcsmanz
11:00 am hughstephens: @ricardon fair enough – but is the access rlly ‘secure’? have hrd of docs using VPN so they cn check results on ipad #hcsmanz /cc @stewy6
11:02 am hiablog: @drmarcustan No – that is wrong. Any use of data collected for teaching or presentation *must* have ethics approval. #Hcsmanz
11:03 am hiablog: @drmarcustan This is usually considered secondary analysis of routine data, but ethics still req. #Hcsmanz
11:03 am ricardon: @hughstephens (4) traditionally public hospitals own films, while priv pats own priv films. Now, raw data ownership problematic. #hcsmanz
11:06 am ricardon: @hughstephens (5) data storage volumes for imaging are increasing exponentially – but does cost as stores need to be backed up . #hcsmanz
11:11 am DPTOZ: RT @hughstephens: #hcsmanz great privacy vic booklet on ‘guide to privacy law in vic’ with section on healthcare info http://bit.ly/eYNjGr
11:16 am hughstephens: @ricardon ID and pwd rarely count as ‘secure’ as in my experience are often taped to every 2nd monitor on wards! #hcsmanz
11:17 am ricardon: @hughstephens the requesting practitioner should only be able to access data from patients of that practice entity. #hcsmanz
11:28 am stewy6: RT @hughstephens: @ricardon fair enough – but is the access rlly ‘secure’? have hrd of docs using VPN so they cn check results on ipad #hcsmanz /cc @stewy6
11:40 am ben_hr: @bernardk Yeah, I was balancing a family meal and participation πŸ™‚ #hcsmanz
11:56 am ricardon: RT @hjluks: New Hacking Tools Pose Bigger Threats to Wi-Fi Users – http://nyti.ms/fZgbBG #hcsmanz
11:56 am ej_butler: Thanks @BiteTheDust for moderating tonight’s #hcsmanz chat. I’ll arrange for the transcript & links to be uploaded tomorrow.
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